diep at xs4all.nl
Wed Oct 24 09:40:21 PDT 2012
I bet in engineering and math type sciences plenty of funding from
This lady was however in a more social area.
So her statement is totally correct.
I explain this, my words, as a feudal system where you have to take
care for your own funding,
either find a company to pay for it or some sort of organisation that
pays for the spot.
Unpaid spots means of course effectively you have to pay your own
housing, not cheap in UK,
food and whatever you like to do during student life.
This where every PHD position here gets paid for and rents here are
relative low compared to the
typical university cities in UK and Germany.
On Oct 24, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Peter Clapham wrote:
> For UK citizens & increasingly EU (where certain restrictions may
> apply), there are a wide range of PhD positions advertised. These
> generally come with finance from an external funding body, there are
> several of these. As Tim says the amount depends upon the funding
> the department and in some cases upon the application itself. My case
> was that I was well funded but it's up to the individual to do
> their own
> research here (this is for a PhD after all). If someone wishes to take
> up a non-funded post that is their choice.
> There is no feudal system in place. Positions are widely advertised
> New scientist, Nature, the specialist journal of your choice for
> examples). It may be that certain foreign nationals outside of EU
> agreements are expected to jump through Visa immigration hoops as well
> which may also restrict which posts remain an option.
> As with all things, if you are looking for a PhD research place it's a
> good idea to start the process as you intend to go on.
> There are no legitimate pay for your PhD's
>> How's this happening in London?
>> Interesting to hear more on this and dig it out, as a lady who did do
>> her Master Degree in London,
>> she came back 20 months ago as to do a PHD degree she had to pay in
>> London. Her nationality is Dutch.
>> I then approached a professor here who tried to talk to her.
>> Some other British confirmed the 'pay for a phd' in UK - yet those
>> British did do their PHD quite a lot of years ago...
>> You're speaking for your own university and which department?
>> Kind Regards,
>> On Oct 24, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Tim Cutts wrote:
>>> On 24 Oct 2012, at 16:09, Peter Clapham <pc7 at sanger.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 24/10/2012 15:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Hearns, John wrote:
>>>>>> Thing is, I need some kind of degree in this stuff to do the
>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>> work I really want to do. Especially in Germany, organisations
>>>>>> involved in HPC usually strictly require an advanced degree if
>>>>>> want to be paid.
>>>>>> In the UK it is quite normal for people who want to gain
>>>>>> whilst working to go through the Open University http://
>>>>> Most interesting
>>>>> Isn't one of the many problems of the UK that the Feodal system
>>>>> some centuries ago is still
>>>>> there in UK- you have to pay bigtime to get your PHD, whereas PHD
>>>>> students over here get an income?
>>> What he said. Although the grant you get is usually an absolute
>>> pittance, so you're living on pasta and tomato sauce for three
>>> The feudal system is long gone, except on the channel island of
>>> Sark which finally abolished the feudal system a few years ago...
>>> [to Wikipedia!] ah yes, it was changed in 2008. Although the
>>> residents don't seem to be too chuffed with its replacement.
>>> Besides, Sark is not part of the UK, but a self-governing part of
>>> the Bailiwick of Guernsey, which is a Crown Dependency, or
>>> something like that. Independent of the UK in all matters except
>>> for Foreign Policy and Defence. Same (or very similar) deal as the
>>> British Virgin Islands, I think.
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