[Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]
Prentice Bisbal
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Thu Dec 10 17:54:17 UTC 2020
When I've had RHEL and the support that came with it, I've only used it
a few times, and believe the response every time was a "won't fix".
Always made me wonder what we were paying for in the first place.
Prentice
On 12/9/20 5:44 PM, Lance Wilson via Beowulf wrote:
> Rolling is not ideal when you have to compile software against the
> installed libraries or kernels. If you have or are running Arch Linux
> you will know what I'm talking about. There are regular niggles with
> things, especially with compiling your own software that needs
> recompiles pretty regularly.
>
> It is very strange they have gone from stable controlled releases to
> basically the complete opposite. I'm actually grateful though to have
> such a strong reason to move on, as we have had quite a number of
> issues with Redhat support where bugs can't/won't be patched. Also if
> we move to Ubuntu or Debian we will be much closer to the development
> environments for most of our researchers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lance
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> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 20:30, Jonathan Aquilina via Beowulf
> <beowulf at beowulf.org <mailto:beowulf at beowulf.org>> wrote:
>
> Seeing that it will be a rolling distribution I don’t see that as
> a bad thing in all honesty. Is there something that one needs to
> be weary about with a rolling distro?
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beowulf <beowulf-bounces at beowulf.org
> <mailto:beowulf-bounces at beowulf.org>> On Behalf Of Andrew M.A. Cater
> Sent: 09 December 2020 10:24
> To: beowulf at beowulf.org <mailto:beowulf at beowulf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]
>
> On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 05:59:11AM +0000, Jonathan Aquilina via
> Beowulf wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Im probably a bit late to the party. What is going on with
> CentOS? As I am not quite understanding whats happening.
> >
> > To be fair I am at the point where I am running through my mind the
> > creation of my own distro based off fedora/Centos Stream (once I
> know
> > what it is)
> >
> > For me the biggest thing for sticking with Centos and RHEL
> derivatives
> > is due to security features like SEL amongst other things as well
> > there are some interesting developments that I need to try out
> such as
> > podman (docker alternative)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jonathan
> >
>
> SE Linux - is supported in other distributions now. If you have to
> have it - Government / big lab - it's probably Red Hat or nothing,
> but there are alternatives (and Red Hat / Oracle are often last to
> the party with other CVE fixing).
>
> CentOS - going away, EOL as CentOS 2021 rather than 2029.
> CentOS Streams becoming a rolling distribution feeding the six
> monthly RH update.
>
> Andy C
>
>
> > From: Beowulf <beowulf-bounces at beowulf.org
> <mailto:beowulf-bounces at beowulf.org>> On Behalf Of Tim Cutts
> > Sent: 09 December 2020 02:08
> > To: Prentice Bisbal <pbisbal at pppl.gov <mailto:pbisbal at pppl.gov>>
> > Cc: Beowulf <beowulf at beowulf.org <mailto:beowulf at beowulf.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]
> >
> > I don’t know how often we ever actually used Red Hat support for
> RHEL itself. Very rarely, I suspect. Even before they hiked the
> price on us, I expect we effectively paid them several thousand
> dollars per support call.
> >
> > Some of the other products, like RH OpenStack Platform, yes, but
> not for the OS itself.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On 8 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf
> <beowulf at beowulf.org
> <mailto:beowulf at beowulf.org><mailto:beowulf at beowulf.org
> <mailto:beowulf at beowulf.org>>> wrote:
> >
> > I think it has mostly to do with user support. The biggest
> innovation on moving from Red Hat Linux to Red Hat *Enterprise*
> Linux was the addition of user support. Corporations like having
> someone to call when something goes wrong. No one wants to hear
> "read the source" when the corporate mailserver is down and 5,000
> employees are no longer productive.
> >
> > Red Hat providing user support was actually a big deal for the
> Linux community. In the early days of Linux, many 3rd parties
> tried to make Linux acceptable to corporate users by providing
> Linux support services, but they never really caught. Probably
> because they weren't tied to a particular distro, so they weren't
> perceived as as "expert" as when the vendor itself is providing
> support.
> >
> > On top of that, Red Hat worked with hardware and software
> vendors to get them to support their products on Red Hat. It
> wasn't long after RHEL was introduced that you started seeing
> hardware and software advertising that it was supported on RHEL.
> >
> > Combine these two, and you have a recipe for success: People are
> more likely to use a version of Linux that comes with user support
> and that they know is supported by the hardware/software they use.
> >
> > To this day, I rarely see hardware/software
> advertised/documented as supporting anything other than RHEL.
> Fortunately, many of those vendors would treat CentOS and
> Scientific Linux the same as RHEL for support reasons. At least
> that has been my experience.
> >
> > Prentice
> >
> > On 12/8/20 4:50 PM, Jörg Saßmannshausen wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > what I never understood is: why are people not using Debian?
> >
> > I done some cluster installation (up to 100 or so nodes) with
> Debian,
> > more or less out of the box, and I did not have any issue with
> it. I
> > admit, I might have missed out something I don't know about, the
> > famous unkown-unkowns, but by enlarge the clusters were running
> rock solid with no unusual problem.
> > I did not use Lustre or GPFS etc. on it, I only played around a bit
> > with BeeFS and some GlusterFS in a small scale.
> >
> > Just wondering, as people mentioned Ubuntu.
> >
> > All the best from a dark London
> >
> > Jörg
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020, 21:12:02 GMT schrieb Christopher
> Samuel:
> >
> > On 12/8/20 1:06 pm, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised if this causes Scientific Linux to come
> back
> > into existence.
> > It sounds like Greg K is already talking about CentOS-NG (via
> the ACM
> > SIGHPC syspro Slack):
> >
> >
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