[Beowulf] Re: "hobbyists" still OT

Jon Aquilina eagles051387 at gmail.com
Wed Jun 25 23:34:03 PDT 2008

taking this thread off on another tangent here though. using bio fules might
be good for now but is actually creating lots of problems. the end all
solution would to be to use hydrogen as the fuel source. put water in the
car gets broken down through hydrolysis and the water which is exhaust is
recycled back into the system. no need for fueling stations because a
convenient source of water would be your outside your door

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Mike Davis <jmdavis1 at vcu.edu> wrote:

> Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>> Some 3d world country managers are begging to adress this issue: "My
>> nations people die,
>> as your bio fuel raises our food prices, the poor are so poor here, they
>> use that stuff as food
>> and cannot afford it now".
>> USA nor Europe can *never* produce that stuff as cheap as 3d world
>> countries can.
>> Since my uncle held a patent on an Alcohol Fuel still, and my grandfather
> grew corn, I have a somewhat different view. I'm not sure where your
> information is coming from. According to http://www.earth-policy.org/, the
> US produced 414 Million tons of grain last year. Of that total 81 Million
> tons were used for fuel and 106 Million tons were exported. While it might
> be less expensive to produce grain in the 3rd world, the top exporter of
> Corn, Rice and Wheat for the world is the US.
> http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update69_data.htm#table10
> http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update69_data.htm#table9
> Now since corn prices have been rather stagnant until recently for almost
> 30 years and since I know farmers that have burned corn for heat rather than
> sell at a loss. I see the increase in grain prices as neutral. Yes, there
> are bad results for the third world. But those farmers growing grain deserve
> a fair price for the work and uncertainty of agriculture.
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Jonathan Aquilina
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