Guys, I apparently got it fixed... not sure what I did, but it works as I am typing to you through it now. I ran tulip-diag anways, and dumped al sorts of info, just in case I can't keep this thing stable. thanks for your help, anyways, greg ., ----[ greg s. schmidt ]---- - - Eml: greg@viz.tamu.edu, gschmidt@cs.tamu.edu - Web: www-viz.tamu.edu/students/greg/greg.html - Phn: (979) 847-9743 - ----