Asante? was Re: Cheap, good tulips...

[Kurt Seifried]

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>For that price you can buy Intel Ether Express Pro 10/100 nics that work
>everytime.
>http://www.pricewatch.com
>
>To all who are using Tulip based cards.  We have tried different cards
>with all of Becker's drivers.  You can eventually get them to work buy
>finding the right combination of card and driver.  Plan on spending some
>time doing this.  I do understand the tulip based cards are cheaper.
>
>In my opinion, we have switched to Intel cards because they work
>everytime with no special tweaking.  As far as performance, we are
>running at wire speed (100Mbps) on every benchmark test performed.  If
>Linux wants to make it in this Windows dominant world, users are going
>to have to be able to plug in an ethernet card and not spend hours
>trying to get it to work (By the way, I'm tired of Windows ruling this
>world.  I'm ready for a "real" operating system like Linux to take
>over).  The Intel cards have done that for us.  I will continue to use
>Intel cards both at work and home until I find a cheaper card that you
>can plug in and work right from the start.  My time is very valuable.
>The time I spent trying to get the Tulip based cards to work properly
>(with our switch), I could have bought several Intel cards.

Yeah but there are GOOD tulip cards like the Acer ALN-310 that as far as
I know have never caused anyone any grief (personally I have used them 
under NT 4.0/5.0, SCO OpenServer, Solaris, Linux (RedHat 4.2 up), 
Windows 95/98, etc. You buy cheap, you get cruft.

As for users being able to "users are going to have to be able to plug in 
an ethernet card and not spend hours trying to get it to work" this is a
pipe dream. Between IRQ comflicts and s*itty drivers that ship with low
end cards I have generally found making cards work in linux no more
trouble then in Windows.

>That is something all of you should think about.

No. This is something hardware manufacturers should think about. Linux 
cannot exactly be blammed if hardware vendors put out hardware and no
drivers for Linux, remember these products are being supported by
people like Mr. Becker. At the very least hardware vendors should stop
making oddball changes to their products (like what gives with the 905b?).

>p.s.  I've called several Linux hardware vendors and low and behold they
>use Intel exclusively on high-end Linux servers and workstations.
>
>Harry

-seifried

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