<div dir="ltr">you raise a great issue... the fluid we use has a specific gravity around 0.8g/cc so is lighter than water. As you point out, some of the other fluids are VERY heavy.<div><br></div><div>We have oil immersed data rooms on the 1st (above a basement carpark) and 20th floors of normal commercial buildings... those wouldn't be possible with other fluids :) </div><div><br></div><div>The weight can dramatically impact how you build your DC, floor etc. Which can significantly impact price.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>And lets be clear... by "swimming" I was just reaching into the tank (head first) upto about my waste, in fluid, to grab a blanking plate on the bottom of the tank :)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 2:17 AM Lux, Jim (337K) via Beowulf <<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Stu reports swimming, but perhaps he was really more wading.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A significant problem with large vats of liquid, whether used for cooling electronic equipment, or just storage, is that if the density is significantly less than that of water, you don’t float. Humans are
just slightly positively buoyant in water (with full lungs). Change that to oil or corn syrup or scotch whisky with a density of 0.9, and it’s like having 5-10 kg of weight on you, and that takes a lot of work to stay on the surface.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">This is a well known hazard in the petroleum processing industry (aside from the fact that the air above the tank’s liquid surface is probably full of all manner of unhealthy things and not oxygen) – you fall
in the big tank, you die.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Diala AX (a HV insulating oil I’ve used) has a specific gravity of 0.885, and is somewhat more viscous than water (not a lot) – if you fell into it, and couldn’t support yourself by standing on the bottom
or equipment within the tank, you’d need to be rescued pretty quickly. The increased viscosity would also mean that it’s more work to keep “treading oil” to stay above the surface.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">USP white mineral oil is about 0.85 g/cc. We had a thousand gallon tank of this where I used to work, and there was a whole discussion about safety – it was a wide flat tank, so in theory, if you fell in,
you could stand up (except that the tank was polyethylene and it *<b>is</b>* oil.. there were questions about whether you could stand up on the slippery surface)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Of course, you can get oil in all densities – the stuff they use for road surfacing is quite dense.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Fluorinert FC-40 (which I’ve also used) is quite dense – 1.85 g/cc – you’d float well above the surface like a cork. A quick glance at the line card for Novec® shows they’re all pretty dense - 1.4g/cc is
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