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<p>Not necessarily. I learned Fortran as part of my Numerical
Methods for Physicists in grad school. We had the option of using
C or Fortran. Fortran has proved much more useful to learn than C
and I've picked up C on the side. In many cases programming is a
matter of logical structured thinking, if you can get that the
rest is learning syntax for different languages.</p>
<p>For people doing numerical methods, Fortran is way superior in
terms of usability than C. That said I would never teach Fortran
in a Computer Science class, but in a Numerical Methods for
Scientists I would go with Fortran.</p>
<p>-Paul Edmon-<br>
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mentioned this before. If a student only has one
programming course, teaching fortran feels like malpractice,
however, this book is awesome!</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:15 PM Paul Edmon <<a
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Very true. I
would never use Fortran for an OS. From what I understand <br>
compiler writers still prefer Fortran as its easier to
vectorize. Thus <br>
if you want best vector performance from your code Fortran is
it, mainly <br>
due to the easy of writing a compiler that can do so.<br>
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In the end use the tool that's best for the job. That's the
moral of <br>
the story.<br>
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-Paul Edmon-<br>
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On 11/28/2018 12:17 PM, Robert G. Brown wrote:<br>
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018, Paul Edmon wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Once C has native arrays and orders them properly,
then we can talk :).<br>
><br>
> Yeah, like this. That's really the big difference, isn't
it? Although<br>
> one can argue about just what "properly" really means...
other than "in<br>
> the same order that Fortran orders them" ;-)<br>
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> rgb<br>
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>><br>
>> -Paul Edmon-<br>
>><br>
>> On 11/28/18 11:36 AM, Peter St. John wrote:<br>
>> Maybe I'm being too serious but in the old
days, Fortran was the<br>
>> most mature, maintained compiler and the
libraries were great,<br>
>> then later, C had better compilers but the
libraries were still<br>
>> great. Now, I think the only good thing about
Fortran is that<br>
>> it's pretty easy to learn?<br>
>> Peter<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:30 AM Stu Midgley <<a
href="mailto:sdm900@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sdm900@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I agree 100% .?You can't beat bash and fortran.<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:02 AM Paul Edmon<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pedmon@cfa.harvard.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pedmon@cfa.harvard.edu</a>>
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>> Fortran is and remains an awesome language.?
More<br>
>> people should use it:<br>
>><br>
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