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    But what was his experience with the Phis? Was he happy with them?
    Do you know how much he had to rework his code to get good
    performance out of them? <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/19/2018 11:57 PM, John Hearns via
      Beowulf wrote:<br>
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        <div>Prentice Bisbal wrote:</div>
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            I often wonder if that misleading marketing is one of the
            reasons why the Xeon Phi has already been canned. I know a
            lot of people who were excited for the Xeon Phi, but > I
            don't know any who ever bought the Xeon Phis once they came
            out.</span><br>
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style="float:none;background-color:transparent;font-size:12.8px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;display:inline">In
            the UK at my last company we had a customer in the defence
            sector who bought lots of Xeon Phi. Great guy, full of
            enthusiasm and good to work with (Hello Kirk!)</span></div>
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style="float:none;background-color:transparent;font-size:12.8px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;display:inline">They
            were installed with IBM Platform before I joined the
            company. I re-installed the cluster with Bright which
            brought it up to date.</span></div>
        <div>That is the cluster which used Teradici PCOIP to connect
          via secure fibre optic links.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 June 2018 at 04:49, Stu Midgley <span
            dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdm900@gmail.com"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sdm900@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">we initially used them as standalone systems
              (ie. rsh a code onto them and run it)
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              <div>today we use them in offload mode (ie. the host would
                push memory+commands onto them and pull the results off
                - all <span
style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">via
                  pragmas<span> </span></span>).</div>
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              <div>our last KNC systems were 2RU with 8x7120 phi's...
                which is a 2.1kW system.  They absolutely fly...</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:48 AM Ryan
                    Novosielski <<a
                      href="mailto:novosirj@rutgers.edu" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">novosirj@rutgers.edu</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">We
                    bought KNC a long time ago and keep meaning to get
                    them to a place where they can be used and just
                    haven’t. Do you mount filesystems from them? We have
                    GPFS storage, primarily, and would have to re-export
                    it via NFS I suppose if we want the cards to use
                    that storage. I’ve seen complaints about the
                    stability of that setup. I didn’t try to build the
                    GPFS portability layer for Phi — not sure whether to
                    think it would or wouldn’t work (I guess I’d be
                    inclined to doubt it).<br>
                    <br>
                    > On Jun 14, 2018, at 12:02 AM, Stu Midgley <<a
                      href="mailto:sdm900@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">sdm900@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    > <br>
                    > Phi is dead... Long live phi...<br>
                    > <br>
                    > By which I mean, while the Phi as a chip is
                    going away, its concepts live on.  Massive number of
                    cores, large vectorisation and high speed memory
                    (and fucking high heat load - we do ~350W/socket). 
                    So, while the product code will disappear, phi lives
                    on.<br>
                    > <br>
                    > For KNC I did a lot of customisation to MPSS to
                    get it to work... and we haven't been able to shift
                    from one of the very early version.  We love the
                    KNC... we get 8 in 2RU which is awesome density
                    (1.1kW/RU)<br>
                    > <br>
                    > For KNL its just x86 with a big vectorisation
                    unit (700W/RU).<br>
                    > <br>
                    > In both cases you have to be very very careful
                    how you manage memory.<br>
                    > <br>
                    > <br>
                    > <br>
                    > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:33 AM Joe Landman
                    <<a href="mailto:joe.landman@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joe.landman@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    > I'm curious about your next gen plans, given
                    Phi's roadmap.<br>
                    > <br>
                    > On 6/13/18 9:17 PM, Stu Midgley wrote:<br>
                    >> low level HPC means... lots of things.  BUT
                    we are a huge Xeon Phi shop and need low-level
                    programmers ie. avx512, careful cache/memory
                    management (NOT openmp/compiler vectorisation etc).<br>
                    > <br>
                    > I played around with avx512 in my rzf code.  <a
href="https://github.com/joelandman/rzf/blob/master/avx2/rzf_avx512.c"
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                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/joelandman/<wbr>rzf/blob/master/avx2/rzf_<wbr>avx512.c</a> 
                    .  Never really spent a great deal of time on it,
                    other than noting that using avx512 seemed to
                    downclock the core a bit on Skylake.<br>
                    > <br>
                    > Which dev/toolchain are you using for Phi?  I
                    set up the MPSS bit for a customer, and it was
                    pretty bad (2.6.32 kernel, etc.).  Flaky control
                    plane, and a painful host->coprocessor
                    interface.  Did you develop your own?  Definitely
                    curious.<br>
                    > <br>
                    > <br>
                    >> <br>
                    >> <br>
                    >> <br>
                    >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 1:08 AM Jonathan
                    Engwall <<a
                      href="mailto:engwalljonathanthereal@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">engwalljonathanthereal@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    >> John Hearne wrote:<br>
                    >> > Stuart Midgley works for DUG?  They
                    are currently<br>
                    >> > recruiting for an HPC manager in
                    London... Interesting...<br>
                    >> <br>
                    >> Recruitment at DUG wants to call me about
                    Low Level HPC. I have at least until 6pm.<br>
                    >> I am excited but also terrified. My
                    background is C and now JavaScript, mostly online
                    course work and telnet MUDs.<br>
                    >> Any suggestions are very much needed.<br>
                    >> What must a "low level HPC" know on day
                    1???<br>
                    >> Jonathan Engwall<br>
                    >> <a
                      href="mailto:engwalljonathanthereal@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">engwalljonathanthereal@gmail.<wbr>com</a><br>
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