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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As someone who deals in export controls all the time (and thankfully new rules for Category XV, spacecraft) there’s a classic thing I was taught by our export
control experts:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You all (meaning us on the list in this case) are engineers and scientists, and expect that there is a set of principles and rules, and if you understand
the rules, you can apply a straightforward process to determine whether what you want to do falls inside or outside the rules. This is not true. Export control rules are political. Do not expect them to make sense, be internally consistent, etc. Each and
every decision is made on a case by case basis, and a license application that flew through yesterday will be blanket refused today, or vice versa.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">That is, sometimes rules are made/changed to “send a diplomatic message” (sort of like those “Action X was unhelpful” statements from diplomats, when what they
really mean is “I really wish you hadn’t done X”)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As a practical matter, the reason those processors (and, for instance, the Motorola 68000 some decades ago) are on the list is that the “other people” don’t have
the demonstrated capacity to design their own. As soon as that capability is demonstrated, then there’s a move to get it removed from the commerce control lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There is an exception: classic munitions: missiles, weapons,etc. They tend to stay on the list forever, because there, the issue is not one of information and
know-how proliferation (Technical Data, in export control speak), but of the actual articles being transferred. You don’t want to be shipping bullets to your enemy.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Beowulf [mailto:beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Prentice Bisbal<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 09, 2015 1:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> beowulf@beowulf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Beowulf] US bans Intel Xeon exports to China's Supercomputer centers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's also funny because this will just increase the haste with which China develops their own processors to compete with US-sourced ones, which, in theory could hasten the decline of the US economy.
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Another case of unintended consequences from US foreign policy? Only time will tell.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 04/09/2015 12:47 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Kilian Cavalotti <<a href="mailto:kilian.cavalotti.work@gmail.com" target="_blank">kilian.cavalotti.work@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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According to <a href="http://www.vrworld.com/2015/04/07/usa-shocks-intel-ban-on-china-xeon-supercomputers/" target="_blank">
http://www.vrworld.com/2015/04/07/usa-shocks-intel-ban-on-china-xeon-supercomputers/</a>,<br>
the US government has placed the 4 major China Supercomputer Centers<br>
on the “Denial List,” which prevents “high technology from the USA” to<br>
be sold to these sites. On claims that they are believed to be engaged<br>
in activities related to nuclear explosives.<br>
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I guess it means no Phi-based Tianhe-3 in the near future, and a clear<br>
path for China to fund the development of their own lines of<br>
processors.<br>
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If that's confirmed, that would be a big loss for Intel, both in the<br>
short and longer terms. That after Summit, that looks like a lot to<br>
take in.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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<span class="hoenzb">Kilian</span><br>
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