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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The problem with that measuring
citations is that it can take several years (sometimes decades)
for a research paper to gain traction, which might be a longer
time horizon that we have to show the ROI on an HPC investment. <br>
<br>
While we're at it, we could through in someone's Erdos number in
see how having access to HPC resources affects that. That's
typically only relevant to mathematicians, though. <br>
<br>
Regarding Andrew Wiles, I saw him on campus on a regular basis
when I worked at IAS. One day, while driving home from work,
decided to cross the street right as I got the green light (which
meant he should have stayed on the sidewalk - a VERY common
problem in Princeton), and I had to slam on my breaks to avoid
hitting him. I later told a friend I almost ran over Andrew Wiles.
Of course, the response was "who's that?" <br>
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--<br>
Prentice<br>
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On 11/26/2013 09:54 AM, Peter St. John wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Oh there is another metric besides number of papers
published; Citation Indexing and Impact Factor, the predecessors
of Google "Page" Ranking.
<div>Instead of counting papers, or counting citations to
papers, you count citations weighted by their own citations,
recursively.</div>
<div>So one year Andrew Wiles publishes two papers. Those two
papers are read by maybe six specialists in arithmetic
algebraic geometry. But those six guys are read by many more,
etc (the recursion converges rapidly, which is why Page
Ranking is so effective), so Wiles' Impact Factor is
extravagant.</div>
<div>Peter</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Tim
Cutts <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>On 25 Nov 2013, at 23:03, Prentice Bisbal <<a
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wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span
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I went to a BoF on ROI on HPC investment. All the
presentations in<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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BoF frustrated me. Not because they were poorly
done, but because<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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tried to measure the value of a cluster by number
of papers<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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that used that HPC resource. I think that's a
crappy, crappy<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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but haven't been able to come up with a better one
myself yet. I<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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very vocal with my comments and criticisms of the
presentations, so<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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any of the presenters are reading this now, I
apologize for<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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your BoF. Getting good ROI on a cluster is close
to my heart,<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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is also difficult to quantify and measure. I hope
I can be part of<span> </span></span><br
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discussion next year.</span><br
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<div>I can't think of another metric either. At the top
of my organisation, publications are *the* key metric
that all scientists are judged on. Publications are
*the* product of any scientific institution. We don't
sell anything, so we can't measure revenue. All we
can measure are papers published per unit time. The
problem is that the publication of the paper is very
distant from the building of your compute
infrastructure, so it's very hard to put a sensible
number on ROI for this stuff.</div>
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The cover band 'London Calling' played the IBM
Platform<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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party again. Despite calling themselves 'London
Calling'<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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still do not play any Clash songs. They are a good
cover band, but<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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starting to get boring seeing the same band play
the same set year<span> </span></span><br
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year.</span><br
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<div>It did at least have more atmosphere than either of
the parties I went to earlier in the week, which were
pretty much like drinking in a morgue. I won't name
them, but we probably all know which ones. Both were at
establishments on the 16th street Mall. I had a lot
more fun and useful conversation in bars after
abandoning ship…</div>
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