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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org [mailto:beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Cutts<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter St. John<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Beowulf List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Beowulf] SC13 wrapup, please post your own<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">OK, yes, but that's still counting papers, just with a more sensible scoring matrix. &nbsp;It has exactly the same problem in really demonstrating in a grant proposal or budget justification just what the ROI is going to be in those terms.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's quite funny watching vendors flounder whenever they claim they can offer great ROI and you ask them to actually do so. &nbsp;Usually their crude spreadsheets end up telling you're going to spend $millions more using their solution.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">There are an amazing number of places where there are requests for ROI on an inherently fuzzy target.&nbsp; For the last year I&#8217;ve been working on FINDER, &nbsp;a radar
 to detect buried disaster victims.&nbsp; Of course, I get asked several ROI type questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">What&#8217;s your detection probability?
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">What&#8217;s the ROI for the investment in the development?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">OK, the second one is sort of bizarre and hard to measure.. How much is &#8220;saving a life&#8221; worth? There&#8217;s a variety of economic metrics for what a life is worth
 used in public policy discussions.. (do we weight by QUALYs? Saving the life of a 90 year old might not be &#8220;worth&#8221; as much as saving the life of a child, in terms of future economic impact..&nbsp;&nbsp; Shades of Swift&#8217;s &#8220;A modest proposal&#8221;, as read on its face, as
 opposed to the political commentary which it as).&nbsp; There&#8217;s also the whole bias introduced by whether victims are likely to be there in the first place.&nbsp;&nbsp; A 100 percent accurate detector doesn&#8217;t do much good when there&#8217;s nobody to detect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The first one is even harder.&nbsp; Is there a &#8220;standard rubble&#8221; (no, there is not).&nbsp; Is there a &#8220;standard victim&#8221; (no, but I do have some anthropomorphic simulators).&nbsp;
 Is there a valid standard of comparison?&nbsp; Not really: there&#8217;s no (valid) statistics on how effective search dogs are, for example. For many of the same reasons: not all rubble is the same, not all victims are the same, and victims are unevenly distributed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">But, to keep this all Beowulf oriented, we did use HPC to model the microwave propagation through simulated rubble.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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