<div dir="ltr">My take on this is two-fold:<div><br><div>When I copy an interesting link to friends or colleagues, I include a sentence or a paragraph explaining why I think they want to follow the link. Copying the entire article (as opposed to a pithy quote) is just spam, and a bare link is a distraction, a bare link looks like a virus. So I consider the mentioned posts as what we used to call "unmannerly".</div>
<div><br></div><div>The other part is that it's difficult, perhaps not possible, to define all mannerly behaviour with explicit rules. So I believe what usually happens is that groups like this one rely on peer pressure (reactions like this thread itself) to push back on unmannerliness without resorting to making rules; but that we'll make rules if we need to, in the cases that some people just persist without responding to the peer-pressure. </div>
<div>It's all unpleasant, we don't want rules, we don't want spam, and we don't even want to discuss these issues because we are interested in beowulfry not politics. </div><div><br></div><div>To me, getting labelled as spam would be very uncomfortable. It's bad enough when I fail to grep an acronym that's familiar to everyone else on the list :/</div>
</div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Tomasz Rola <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rtomek@ceti.com.pl" target="_blank">rtomek@ceti.com.pl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Andrew Holway wrote:<br>
<br>
> +1 for Option 1.<br>
<br>
+1 for Option 1, assuming the voice of lurker matters.<br>
<br>
To be frank, I don't recall any kind of "house rules". And I am subscribed<br>
for quite some time, starting back when I was stupid and arrogant.<br>
<br>
>From my personal experience, I get plenty of emails per day. If there is a<br>
link, quite often I don't click at all, mostly because I put it on the<br>
shelve and forget. If there is a content inside, I have a chance to skim<br>
it quickly, or thoroughly. I consider law dealing with this stuff to be<br>
tricky. Can I learn the article by heart? Do I need permission to do that?<br>
What parts of it can I remember, actually? Can I make notes? Can I make<br>
extensive notes? With pictures? What if I have no hands, can I make a<br>
photocopy? All of this and more I am willing to classify as fair use.<br>
<br>
I would rather not delve into the subject of law. Strangely, only certain<br>
groups are expected to abide it. For example, since it all started with<br>
music, musicians are expected to abide but record makers may be ok with<br>
not abiding, as long as they don't get caught - while still touting around<br>
how they are being robbed. But, certainly there are some exceptions on<br>
both sides. And with this remark I would like to end.<br>
<br>
BTW, as far as I can tell, Chopin and Mozart (and possibly more composers)<br>
"stole" the folk music (see, in quotes, because I don't agree with such<br>
notion). Perhaps we should define what is a genuine creation. One day,<br>
when money goes somewhere else.<br>
<br>
Now, of course it is different when a group of people gets involved. There<br>
should be some kind of agreement between them with regard to the content.<br>
Unfortunately, the three options given by original poster are not very<br>
good to choose from, the least offensive is number 1, which I choose.<br>
<br>
Alternatively, Option 4 is to form a rule to be followed from now on.<br>
Here, in public. Hence no excuses for those who didn't know. Plus, include<br>
it in welcome message or something.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Tomasz Rola<br>
<br>
--<br>
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** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **<br>
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **<br>
** **<br>
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