[Beowulf] Admin action request

Peter St. John peter.st.john at gmail.com
Sat Nov 23 07:49:15 PST 2013


Re: " I don't give a shit about Joseph ..." ; did I mention
"unmannerliness"?
Peter


On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:42:35PM -0500, Joe Landman wrote:
> > Folks:
> >
> >    We are seeing a return to the posting of multiple full articles
>
> Failure to address the culprit (me, presumably) by name.
> Use of majestatis pluralis. Why so pissy?
>
> > again.  We've asked several times that this not occur.  It appears to be
> > a strong consensus from many I spoke with at SC13 this year, that there
> > is little (actually no) support for the full article postings.  As we
>
> I've received two off-list replies that I continue posting.
>
> > had noted in the case of HPCwire, InsideHPC, etc. posting the full
> > article deprives the authors and publishers of clicks, which deprives
> > them of potential revenue.
>
> We've been through this before.
>
> >    Since our requests have again been ignored, we are generally faced
> > with a few options on what to do if anything.
> >
> >    Option 1: Do nothing.  Nothing will change, and we will have someone
> > continue to abuse the resources, the authors and the publications.
> >
> >    Option 2: Personal filtering.  This particular individual actually
> > threatened me in another group, and I generally simply ignore anything
>
> Bullshit. Joe Landman, who thinks that his personal views should be
> normative, attempted to quash a discussion (not initiated by me) on
> the pfSense mailing list. I told him that if he continues to accuse
> others of tinfoilhattery in regards to a germane discussion in a
> security product in order to censor I will call such wrongful attempts
> a Landman's Law, in analogy with Godwin's Law.
>
> He took the hint, and stopped doing that.
>
> Now he insinuates here on the Beowulf mailing I threatened Joe Landman
> personally, without even calling me by name. This is incorrect
> and libelous. I did no such thing. Joe Landman, please retract your
> libelous statement about me you made in public.
>
> > he posts.  I haven't gone as far as active filters for him, but have for
> > some of the more egregious tin foil hat wearers of that other group.
> >
> >    Option 3: Enforce some of our basic etiquette.  If you aren't willing
> > to abide by the house rules, you won't be allowed into the house to
> > violate the rules.  In this case, I see more than two strikes, so I am
> > not all that inclined to be terribly forgiving of these breaches.
>
> I've lost the last shred of personal and professional respect for you,
> Joe Landman. You might be a scholar, but you're certainly no gentleman.
>
> >    It is obvious option 1 will do nothing.  Option 2 is unsatisfactory,
> > as the behavior will continue, and be in the permanent list archive.
> > Option 3 seems to be the right approach.
> >
> >    I am not a lawyer, though its not hard to note that reproduction of
> > work without permission could wind someone up in court ... this has been
> > the basis for the file sharing lawsuits when content owners get pissed
> > off enough.  It doesn't matter if the owner of the list or the hardware
> > the list is on didn't put it there.  What matters is that they didn't
> > remove it.
> >
> >    Rather than have to deal with the battle above, I'd ask the powers
> > that be to decide whether or not they wish to continue to tolerate the
> > astounding breach of etiquette, and the risks that it opens up
> > (copyright and redistribution of copyrighted work).
> >
> >    Note that we've had this conversation before, and been assured by the
> > poster that it wouldn't happen again.  As I see it, I've got a number of
>
> I assume you mean me. I do not recall saying that.
>
> > his longer posts going into my SPAM filter, which means I have to
> > actively clean it lest google start categorizing all mail from Beowulf
> > as spam.
> >
> >    I am just not seeing an upside to option 1 or option 2, though option
> > 2 provides local filtration.
> >
> >    Anyone else have an opinion?
>
> Yes. I don't give a shit about Joseph Landman, Ph.D. I'm willing to
> abide by house rules, these explicitly not involving one Joseph Landman,
> Ph.D.
>
> I'm willing to start listening to his opinion when Joseph Landman, Ph.D.,
> retracts his libel against me, in public. Your call.
>
> >
> > --
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> > Scalable Informatics, Inc.
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