[Beowulf] Can Beowulf with Linux run all the desktop applications
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Robert G. Brown rgb at phy.duke.eduTue Feb 24 11:06:26 PST 2009
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Hearns wrote: > 2009/2/24 Robert G. Brown <rgb at phy.duke.edu>: >>> In general, however, they will not run faster. In order for an >> application to run faster, it has to be written to run in parallel, and >> most desktop applications are not. >> > > Interestingly enough, my local Linux User Group recently had a discussion on the > Reia language http://wiki.reia-lang.org/wiki/Reia_Programming_Language > > The 'threads' of the Erlang virtual machine can be migrated to other machines. > Blue skying a little, if mechanisms like this were used for > desktop-type applications they > would be able to be load balanced across a cluster. Except that nearly all desktop-type applications will run faster -- monolithically, on a desktop machine. So much so that for most of them a decision to parallelize or not requires, lessee, a one second pause followed by "not". Desktop applications with very few exceptions are rate limited by the user, disk, network, other resources, and memory/CPU in that order. They are interactive, so most of what they are doing is waiting for a user to type something or the next mouse click to come in (with hundreds of thousands to millions of cycles of thumb-twiddling between each keystroke). From time to time they have to read or write something to disk, which may be a latency hit (quite long at order milliseconds for an uncached seek) or wait (on a heavily laden system). Or to get something to or from the network, more like microseconds of latency. Or to get to a USB device, a camera, a printer. Way, way out there is CPU and/or memory, and that only if the application in question is very graphically intensive, is e.g. a database or scientific application or the front end of a numerical program. In nearly all cases a CPU bound desktop application is a game (or video or entertainment) of some sort or or it's the kind of thing somebody MIGHT actually invest the work in to parallelize or that parallelizes itself "automatically" on a multi-core system by running in its own thread. The other problem with automated migration of desktop task components is that local memory and threads are fast, remote memory and threads are slow. The network is ALREADY the bottleneck in many desktop apps. Sitting on machine X to run a GUI that goes over the network to machine Y to do its work, which consists of using the network to go to website Z to grab e.g. a movie and then render it on Y and then return the rendered stream to X contains a lot of redundant, probably slow steps, and rendering IS relatively CPU intensive. It usually requires some actual thought about design and scaling to determine if EVEN a CPU intensive application benefits from parallelization; I'm not optimistic that we're going to see desktop apps with parallel back ends anytime soon and probably never automatically, although sure there will always be a few things people take the time to parallelize right that clearly benefit from it and where the benefit matters in human terms. As it is, almost by DEFINITION parallelization of desktop apps doesn't matter, in human terms, except that it would probably slow them down. rgb > > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf at beowulf.org > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf > Robert G. Brown http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/ Duke University Dept. of Physics, Box 90305 Durham, N.C. 27708-0305 Phone: 1-919-660-2567 Fax: 919-660-2525 email:rgb at phy.duke.edu
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